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Mouth lights

Post by Red Eye » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:50 am

After going through "The Young Lords" again, I think I've found the evidence that the supposedly different lit top and lower light bars inside the mouth are actually caused by different camera angles.

Just take a look at Lucifer how he turns away from the camera while speaking:

http://www.byyourcommand.net/cylongalle ... play_media

Well, what do you think? Problem solved?


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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Cylon-Knight » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:23 am

Great work. I think the angle is key, yes. The plastic over the lights must have a slight bubble/curved shape to it.
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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Hand-Schaub » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:09 pm

very interesting. So, do you think there was only one bar on top then? or still the two seperate?

The lips are bubbled - as real lips are I presume...at least that is how I sculpted mine.

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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Red Eye » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:20 pm

I think there were two bars, both illuminated at once when the IL spoke.
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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Cylon-Knight » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:11 pm

Yeah, two bars, one across the top, one across the bottom... probably all running off the same circuit/power supply.
I would guess 7 on top, 5 on bottom for an even 12 total to make power calculations easy, etc. (Just a guess!! But seems logical and easy.)
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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Red Eye » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:58 am

I'd rather say 6 for the top, 5 for the bottom. :huh:
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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Hand-Schaub » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:38 pm

As was discussed in Zeta's build hread it seems to be 6 and 5 for the 'typical' IL

Funny enough I am using a similar method as him to do the mouth set up with the voice control module. I gotta be honest that I really didn't review his thread until now and it's amazing how many similar conclusions we came up with. I only wish I was as tech savy as he is.

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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Cylon-Knight » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:10 pm

^ You two silly Cylons :cylon: :cylon:
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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Red Eye » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:40 am

Another question just came to my mind: On the screen-used heads, how you think the mouth lights would have worked by keeping all the limitations in mind they had back in '78?

Do you think they were operated by a noise-controlled unit or were there a controller switching the lights on and off by a second, off-screen operator to be in sync when the IL was talking?

Speculations are (as always) welcome!
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Re: Mouth lights

Post by groupleaderzeta » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:21 am

As you know Felix Silla played the physical character. because he doesn't use his arms, perhaps he had a push button that lit up the mouth. the problily play a track on stage and he pushed the button to the track.

Also could have been a cable connected to the IL, if memory serves, the never spoke while on the move.

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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Hand-Schaub » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:55 pm

I agree. I did a voice activated version which I messed up in aday but then I got to thinking... a push button is the best route. If others are talking then the lights woul go off.. If stage hands shout out it would ruin the shot. It's a neat idea for a display helmet but overall the control of a mommentary button makes the most sense... plus it's totally 70 tech.

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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Cylon-Knight » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:35 pm

That is how Dick Tufeld did the Lost In Space Robot's mouth too... there was a switch in the right claw. In early shows you can see the right claw twitch as he worked the switch. Later he got more skilled at it and you can't see any movement.

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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Red Eye » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:08 am

Perhaps the unit was inside the torso to shield it from any other background noises.

It could also tapped to microphone or something so that the mouth lit synchronically to the spoken dialogue.

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Mouth lights

Post by GoldCylon » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:15 am

Ack. I can't view the video. This Mac has a 50/50 problem loading video's. Even Mac friendly files types. :erk:

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Re: Mouth lights

Post by Hand-Schaub » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:56 pm

GoldCylon wrote:Ack. I can't view the video. This Mac has a 50/50 problem loading video's. Even Mac friendly files types. :erk:
If you had a dime for everytime I heard you complain about that mac... you could have bought a PC by now! :salute:

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